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45 And after Jesus and his disciples did leave
the sermon on the mount, Jesus did turn to
Thomas speaking thusly
46 “Did I not not tell you that enough food wouldst
be provided for all to eat? Did I not? Yea, verily,
I believe I didst, but, naaaaay, YOU insisted
there wouldst NOT be enough food.
47 “I guesseth that I was right and you were wrong,
you big pile of donkey dung.
48 Wouldst thou liketh more to eat? Plenty
remaineth shouldst thou still require food.
49 Although,it  didst occureth to me that thou couldst
stand to lose a several stone, if the truth be told.”
50 Then Jesus turned to the other disciple, saying,
“Wouldst thou not agree, brethern? Dost Thomas
not resembleth a fat sow, ripe for the slaughter?
Dost thou not think that several villiages wouldst
eat hearty and well for many cycles of the moon
off the flesh of him?”
The Book of Jesus – 8:45-50

Seriously. Who are these people? Do they have any concept of the life of Jesus? Are their lives so devoid of successes that every perceived success provokes a torrent of thinly disguised abuse and hubris?

The American Fucktard Family Association believes itself responsible for…well…the downfall of Ford Motors:

According to AFA, during the 24 months the boycott was in effect, Ford sales dropped an average of 8 percent per month. The organization said its boycott was not entirely responsible for the drop in sales, but played a very significant role. A total of 780,365 individuals had signed AFA’s Boycott Ford petition.

It had nothing to do with a floundering economy or job market tanking. No. It was all about the homos. Of course, AFA doesn’t want to boycott companies but if they’re going to keep insisting on this “all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights” bullshit, well…what choice do they have? In the world of xtianity there are only two options given to you by the Savior of Man – shit or get off the pot.

It’s pretty evident that not only was Jesus pretty passive-aggressive (“Oh, yeah? Then maybe I’ll just go and get myself EXECUTED for you – how’s that??”) but also petty and vindictive.

Again, from the Book of Jesus:

83 And after he did wash Jesus’ feet, the Savior did look at them and he did turn to John, saying
84 “Dost thou call this clean? Wouldst thou by any standard of heaven or of earth attempt to passeth this off as a ‘good job’? I am the Way and the Light! I have come to offer you everlasting life free of earthly pleasures and this is the thanks I get?”
85 And he did pusheth John roughly onto the stool, saying
86 “If thou be too retarded to knoweth the meaning of clean, alloweth me to show you.” Wherein Jesus did scrub John’s feet until they be bloodied and blistered.
87 And Jesus did laugh at John’s pain, telling him firmly, “Let this be a lesson to thee.”

As many xtians already know, Jesus sneered a lot. He was sarcastic, rude, bullying, denigrating and, above all, holier-than-thou. Thus, being “Christ-like” to an xtian is different than being “Christ-like” to an actual Christian.

Case in point? Oh, there are too many to count but for the moment, let’s use Gary McCollough who runs one of the funniest and/or saddest sites around – Christian Newswire. I’m guessing that McCollough probably gets a discount when he puts out a press release like “DeGeneres Hurt American Idol — I Told You So“. And indeed, he did

I propose that those behind American Idol view Lambert’s defeat as evidence of an underlying anti-gay bias among voters. As good community activists in the skewed world of Hollywood, this season’s change in judges was an opportunity to confront this homophobic bias. Thus viewers to the ninth season will get a steady dose of wit from one of the nation’s most well known lesbians, Ellen DeGeneres.

Personally, when I think of American Lesbians, I think of Eleanor Roosevelt but that’s probably just me. Like the American Fucktard Family Association, McCollough has no use for and no capacity to view reality because of the big Jesus shaped mirror he keeps in front of his face. He looks at himself and sees the world as he imagines Jesus would see it. I’m not sure at what point xtians teach their children that Jesus only hung out with the upper middle class and not with beggars and whores but it must be in the curriculum some place.  xtians care nothing about healing the lame and everything about laying the blame. It’s rare that that an xtian will step up to the plate and admit some wrong they committed against another. Pat Robertson, using slave labor in a Zaire diamond mine certainly doesn’t. He was great pals with the oppressive dictator down there…just like Jesus would have been.

McCollough, an xtian’s xtian if ever there was one, stands triumphantly pissing on the not-yet-dead corpse of American Idol because…he predicted it. Him. He. Gary McCollough. LESBIANS! It had nothing to do with American Idol’s falling ratings since season four, or Paula Abdul leaving or Simon announcing his departure. If ONLY they’d listened to him and had either a straight man or woman rather than a LESBIAN take over Paula’s place, they would have been back on top again. Stupid, stupid Fox. And, of course, McCollough follows the trend of LESBIANS on American Idol to its logical conclusion – pedophiles on Dancing With The Stars. Duh!

All of this really is just he basic xtian bullshit and had I not bothered to read the whole thing, I wouldn’t be writing this. However, this one paragraph jumped out at me.

DeGeneres’ “Yes, I have loved a woman,” comment from the May 11th show, was the most obvious lesbian-one-liner, but it wasn’t the only one, and it is hurting the show’s ratings. I can hear the bloggers loading their homophobe-blasters, but think this through with me.  If one of the judges was an abortion activist, or a political right winger — and continued to insert comments in line with their activism — the same criticism would be true, and the show would suffer. The advice, “Shut up and sing!” comes to mind [emphasis added]

“Shut up and sing” isn’t even code in the wingnut world. It’s a threat of violence and almost a rallying cry. It comes from a letter from some wingnut psycho in Texas sent to Natalie Maines, lead singer of The Dixie Chicks, threatening to kill her for exercising her First Amendment right to disagree with the bush administration. Seriously.

Am I saying that McCollough wants to kill Ellen DeGeneres (or, as Jerry Falwell, resting uncomfortably in Hell, called her “Ellen DeGenerate“)? No. Well, maybe he does. Rather, if he did, he’d consider it another in a series of proofs of God’s existence and/or hatred of the things McCollough hates.

Let’s make this clear – Jesus didn’t hate people. He wasn’t a libertarian. He wasn’t a republican. He was neither gay nor straight. If you read the actual Bible itself, rather than lazily allowing Dobson, Eliason, Perkins or Wildmon to tell you what’s in it, it’s pretty obvious that Jesus would never endorse the kind of twisted perversion of His message that Gary McCollough spews.

Have fun in Hell, Gary.

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I remember a Focus on the Family around 5/22/06 where Bilbo Dobson and his comedy troupe screeched on and on about “moral relativism”. Apparently, it’s not only a stupid concept, but an evil one, too. You see, once you cast aside “absolute truth” you might as well start bathing in hot, burning lava to get used to the feeling since you’ll wind up in Hell. Communists believe in moral relativism. Democrats believe in it. Unitarian Universalists believe in it, too. Shit. I can smell the sulfur already.

What is absolute truth? Well…

1. God created the world in six days and the Grand Canyon was created by the flood waters receding.
2. God sent his son, Jesus, down to earth as a man so he could be killed by the Jews for our sins
3. Being gay is bad
4. If you disagree any of the above, you’ll burn in Hell

Sure, there’s a couple others, but that pretty much sums up the basic tenants of xtianity. Here’s a great example of an absolute truth via Back to Genesis put out by the Institute for Creation Research.

BTG – Why Creation

“But,” you might say to Dr. Morris, “isn’t that kind of a circular argument? Using the Bible to prove that the Bible is true? I mean, the Bible proves that the earth is the center of the universe, too, right? But you’d get laughed out of the institute for saying that. Ok. Maybe you wouldn’t because it’s yours. But you get my point.” Yes, that would be moral relativism.

If, for example, you try to argue that we should actually thank Judas for narc-ing on Jesus since otherwise we couldn’t have been saved from sin then you’re engaging in moral relativism. Similarly, if you ask about the validity of a religion started by glorifying the breaking of one its parent religion’s 10 commandments (“Thou Shalt Not Kill”), that, too, is moral relativism. But I’m being inarticulate, here. Listen to this, instead.

True For You

See? Either you have $5000 or you don’t. Either the Bible is true or you’re going to Hell.

And yet…xtians engage in moral relativism all the time. Case in point – yesterday I called up my buddies at Crosstalk to ask them to take the Anti-Socialist Teabagger pledge and refrain from using socialist services like libraries, parks, sewage facilities, electricity and eating any food that the government subsidized. However, I made two mistakes. Firstly, I stopped talking. That’s a big no-no. As soon as you stop talking you get hung up on. Secondly, I got waylaid by the fucktard going on about how welfare turned all black kids into criminals. He vomited up the lie about how rich a black women could get at the taxpayer expense by sitting on her ass having babies and before I could tell him that most recipients of welfare were white, well, I got hung up on.

Thinking they might have a thread on the Crosstalk Blog. They didn’t. But they did have a post allowing xtians to talk about how shitty Mexicans are and how their grandparent came here legally and didn’t sneak across the US/European border to here. One woman said that the Bible said nothing about immigration or illegal aliens so she could hate them all she wanted without having to ask God’s forgiveness. I was pretty sure this wasn’t true, having gotten about 1/2 way through the ol’ Old Testament and, sure enough

Exodus 22:21, You shall not wrong or oppress a resident alien, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt.” Reminding the people of biblical Israel that they had been slaves in Egypt

Leviticus 19:34 The alien who resides among you shall be to you as the citizen among you; you shall love the alien as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt; I am the Lord your God.

Hebrews 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

The angels quote got me thinking. I’m reading/listening to The Odyssey at the moment and the other gods (the fake ones) loved disguising themselves to get the skinny on the mortals. That led me to think about how the anti-abortion morans love pulling out the argument that “you may be killing the next Mozart or supreme court justice that will overturn Roe v. Wade”. (Of course, you could be killing the next Hitler or Ted Bundy, too). It occurred to me that  xtians have none of this compassion for illegal children. That they might be deporting the next Mozart or supreme court justice that will overturn Roe v. Wade.

And, so I submitted my comment, which got held for moderation. And then deleted.

I’m not sure how much you know about xtians bu they are (especially the white ones) persecuted at every turn. No one allows them to speak. They have no voice anywhere in the world. All they get is silenced and disrespected. As one pious xtian correctly noted

if America were being invaded by right wing Christians the Gov would be offering a bounty for each captured

It’s true! America hates xtians. All America cares about is killing babies and getting free sex change operations. If I censored xtian comments on this blog (which I don’t and won’t), I’d be persecuting xtians. But when Crosstalk does it, it’s “defending the faith.”

Which sounds a lot like moral relativism to me

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I was going to try to work up a head of steam on this but, ya know, it pretty much speaks for itself.

Vic Eliason – Professional Fucktard

Mat Staver – Professional Fucktard

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Xtians want you to believe that if only the Muslim president converted to xtianity, everything would be ok. He’d understand that Jesus would waterboard terrorists before putting two Godly bullets through their skulls. He’d get that personally killing pre-borns contradicts God’s laws. Jesus would lead him to the founding of the American theocracy that God created America for.

You see, they’re not hateful. They want the best for the other 80% of the population that is not totally fucking insane. All they want is for the rest of us to understand that America needs to be saved before God can destroy it in the Armageddon.

But.

Converting to xtianity is not enough.

Apparently, Jesus doesn’t always save. It’s so confusing. Once upon a time, you turned your life over to Jesus and, BOOM, that was that. Past sins forgiven, milk and honey at the signing of the death certificate, moral clarity – in short, you, like the folks at Crosstalk, got a pre-approved ticket to Heaven. Guess not.

I’m not sure who gets to change the rules, but all signs point to Vic Eliason. Vic decided that just being xtian isn’t enough. Thus, even if President Obama converted to xtianity Vic still wouldn’t support him.

There’s really only one way that this works – Jesus can’t forgive all sins. If, after dedicating your life to Christ, your earthly judges (Vic, Jim and Ingrid, I guess) still find your soul tainted and wicked, then Jesus didn’t do His job very well.

Ok. I lied.  There’s another way it works. It works if Vic, Jim and Ingrid hold themselves pridefully above the rest of humanity in some special xtian skybox halfway between Heaven and Earth set up as Jesus’ hallway monitors. I’m a little rusty on my bible passages, but I’m sure they can tell me which chapter and verse gives them authority to judge the strength of someone’s faith.

Vic? Ingrid? Jim? Bueller?

Help me out, here.

Jesus Doesn’t Save

Caller: [I was asked] What if Obama had a conversion and got saved and became a Christian, what would your response be and my response sadly was, man, I’d start praying for him and asking God to protect him…

Sadly? Really? You’d be sad about an enemy of America converting from the dark side to the light side? I could have sworn that the a lost lamb coming back to the flock meant rejoicing. Boy! What a dumbass I am! It’s actually cause for regret and suspicion.

Still, Vic, as God’s Hallway Monitor, explains, after a conversion, it gets kicked up the chain of command to Vic, Jim and Ingrid. Only after they sign off on the new recruit, does God make the final judgment.  And, really, how can anyone know what God thinks. Maybe, Vic hints, God would kill the newly xtian Obama just to teach him a lesson.

Because, as stated earlier, Jesus can’t absolve all sins. Especially the sins of Socialism, Communism, Fascism, Saul Alinksy-ism and all those poor pre-borns that, had they been born, would have saved the Social Security system.

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The funny thing about Crosstalk is that you can spend 5000 words writing about it and still not do as good a job exposing them as hypocrites as they do themselves.

Matt Barber of oddly name Liberty Council came on the show NOT to bash gay people but to show how much xtians love them.  He did so by condemning gay people as violent, spittle spewing sinners possessed by demons.

Spittle Spewing Homos

The love continued with examples of how violent gay people stormed a church and…didn’t really hurt anybody.  Except the kids.  Who had to look at gay people.  And, I guess, all the closeted gays and lesbians mooning over the HOTT gay activists.

Violent Homos…That Don’t Hit People

And in the coup d’ grace (pretty gay phrase, huh?), Barber slits his own throat by blatantly laying all of his cards on the table.

HAHAHA!

Early in the program, my youngest daughter, sitting in bed, playing games on my iPod and listening, asked me, “how can you listen to this stuff??” By the last clip she was howling with laughter and derision.  Just as she should.

Never say I’m not a good dad! *laffin*

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Crosstalk America is not a religious show.  Anyone who listens to even the smallest snippet of it should come to that conclusion.  The show is about dogma and fear.  What little religion that pokes its head up from the slimy depths of the studio serves only to enforce the hatred du jour.  When hosting, Vic Eliason, the head brown-shirt, acts as grandpa with a tri-cornered blade and  basement full of crosses marking the graves of the sinners he correctly garroted in the name of Jesus.

Vic cannot have an honest debate.  When backed into a corner and called on his bullshit he defaults to the following steps

1. The caller makes their point
2. Vic tries to spin it
3. The caller begins to push back
4. Vic interrupts the caller in his folksy fashion to play the “we’re having a dialog” card
5. The caller, annoyed about the interruption, continues to try to have the dialog that Vic just effectively ended
6. Vic, the taste of blood and victory in his mouth, terminates the call, blaming the victim for his own rudeness in interrupting.
7. He then laments that “some people” (code word the un-godly) care nothing about “dialog” and only call to push their evil agenda.

Of course, no mention of their own agenda makes it into that statement.  This happens over and over on the show and I’ve talked about it before.  What makes this clip different comes during the sermonette at the end.

Three things to listen for -

The first is the word “filibuster”.  During the bush years, filibuster meant evil.  It’s what “lie-berals” did to hold up the nomination of racist, though xtian, judges.  It’s what “dumbo-crats” used to attempt block legislation to stop funding of the effective program of giving condoms to countries with high rates of HIV in favor of the ineffective program of abstinence only.  Now, with the advent of socialist health and the destruction of America (TM), “filibuster” is a good word again.  Vic’s negative use of the word points up the bastardization of the language and the adaptability of true believers to switch contexts at the drop of the hat.  It’s a nice little Pavlovian trick. I don’t mean to imply that my side of the fence doesn’t do the same thing – but Vic’s mastery of verbal cues approaches evil brilliance.

The second points out the de-facto fascism of the show. “I happen to be the person that holds the control here.” Pretty straight forward – disagree with me and break my arbitrary decisions as to how much dialog I allow you and you’re gone.  Doing radio myself, though, this is more of a slip than it sounds like. The point he wanted to make was his fingers decide whether or not he’ll allow you to speak.  As such, he works the “controls”. In switching from the proper plural use to the singular use implying action, rather then object, he betrays his true agenda – xtian Stalinism

The third illustrates the basic hypocrisy of Crosstalk America – “We’re not going to let you abuse the program just because you want to be rude”. Really? Listen to the call again.

Vic: …Wouldn’t you agree that that’s a problem?

Caller: But that’s the way it’s always been…

Vic: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, wait a minute Maria. Take a breath. We’re going to have some dialog…

After the break, Vic turns on the condescension, explaining to Maria, whose call has been terminate, the rules of dialog. “I wish Maria had stayed on the line because we could have had dialog. Which means you make a statement, take a breath and let someone respond.” Obviously, Vic doesn’t have to play by his own rules.  He made a statement (to which Maria respectfully listened), asked a question and then cut off her response.

In the eyes of Crosstalk America, Jesus, apparently, was a passive-aggressive hypocrite.

Shut Up – We’re Having A Dialog And You Kept Talking

PS: If you’re new to the horror that is Crosstalk America, this show acts as a perfect primer, containing all the wingnuts talking points including the old “let’s stop blaming bush’s incompetence for state we’re in. After all, Obama promised to fix everything right away and we’ve successfully stopped him from doing that.” As an added bonus, you’ll get “Obama kind of sent more troops to Afghanistan and kinda listened to the generals BUT HE DIDN’T DO IT WHEN WE TOLD HIM TO SO HE IS EVIL” meme.

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First off, I have no idea if they do or not.  I can’t see into their souls or know what they do when no one is looking.  And if it’s true, I’m sure they wouldn’t want anyone to see the kind of shocking immorality personified by having forced sex with little tiny dogs.  One wonders how you would go about such a thing.  Would you have to tie them down?  Would you drug them first so they were docile?  I really can’t answer these questions.  No can know for certain if the founder of World Net Daily and the on-air staff of Crosstalk America, a Christian radio talk show, engage in the kind of acts that Jesus would most certainly frown on.  But no one can rule it out, either.

Can they?

After all, the halls of Christian broadcasting lie littered with the remains of the fallen – Baker, Swaggart, Haggard – you know who they are.  Circumstantial evidence would suggest that if you make your living broadcasting your love of Jesus that there’s a high probability that you hide some deep, filthy secret that at some point in time will come out.

To be clear – I’m not accusing them of sadistically and brutally violating cute, fluffy, innocent, cuddly puppy dogs for base, sick, sexual gratification.  I said up front – I don’t know if they do.

Still, I call upon them to devote a segment of Crosstalk America to address these possibly damaging allegations – to give them to proper airing and vetting that they demand of…say…the President of the United States.

You see, Crosstalk isn’t actually a Christian radio show.  I used to give them benefit of the doubt.  No longer.  They morphed into a political extremist group singularly focused on overthrowing the American government and replacing it with a theocracy similar to that of Iran.

When you allow so-called “journalist” Joseph Farrah to spout the most irresponsible lies and half truths about the President of the United States, you have left the realm of humanity.  And, as Crosstalk will tell you, once your morals go, anything is possible – even puppy fucking.

Here are few of the myriad pieces of filth that Farrah spews

• There’s evidence that Obama’s grandmother is his mother
• Obama may not actually know his true relationship to his family
• Obama probably did not write either of his books
• Maybe it’s a co-incidence that Hillary Clinton “who’s in succession for the Presidency” just happened to travel to Kenya
• Farrah will not trust the Director Of Public Health’s confirmation of Obama birth certificate – he needs to see it himself
• Every Kenyan believes that Obama was born there and that should be proof enough that he was

I’m trying think of another time in which a political figure was accused of not being the mother of her baby and people condemned the rumor as baseless and proof of how low the political process had sunk.

Oh yeah.  Sarah Palin. To even suggest impropriety in that case got the torches of the religious right burning and the nooses looped.  Of course, it wasn’t up them to prove that it wasn’t true.  The accusers had to prove it was true.  Sarah was too demure to get her feet dirty answering such spurious charges.

So, Crosstalk Staff, where the hell do you come off insisting that the President of the United States respond to shit that you fling at him?  Really – is this the biblical way to act?  Does Jesus condone the kinds of lies and whispering that you give voice to?  Is your faith in God so weak that you will not trust in God’s plan for us? Do you honestly believ that it is incumbent on YOU to bring down a democratically elected official?  Do  you hate America that much?

Once more, I have no proof whatsoever that Farrah and the staff of Crosstalk are anything other than garden variety hypocrites whose zeal causes them to forget the teachings of the God they profess to believe in.  Apparently, though, you don’t need proof to make conditional statements – “they may,”they might”, “it’s possible”, “evidence leads me to believe that”, “it’s within the realm of possiblity.”

Thus, I call on Joseph Farrah, Jim Schneider, Vic Eliason, Brannon Howse and Ingrid Slueter to take to the airwaves and spend the hour assuring me, personally, that, despite baseless claims to the contrary, they do not rape puppies.  Furthermore, they need to take calls from the listeners – I’m sure they’ll have some questions.

Note: I have never understood those who said they felt physically sick listening to something.  I know do.  I literally almost threw up listening to this show.

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The New York Times has an article today about a book called The Democratic Virtues of the Christian Right talking about how xtians actually aren’t the horrible people we (aka – most of the people who are reading this) think they are.  If you are actually reading this, then you’ll find plenty of refutation for that statement on this blog.

We’re in perception v. reality territory.  Although I slam them pretty hard, I (sometimes) do my best to make it clear that xtians honestly do not see a problem with their behavior.  And that’s the problem right there.

“The vast majority of Christian-right leaders,” he writes, “have long labored to inculcate deliberative norms in their rank-and-file activists — especially the practice of civility and respect; the cultivation of dialogue by listening and asking questions; the rejection of appeals to theology; and the practice of careful moral reasoning.”

Don’t be shocked, but I agree with this.  They honestly try to show compassion when they tell us that we’re going to Hell if we don’t listen to them.  My good buddy, Vic Eliason, frequently explains that his condemnation of gays isn’t really condemnation and that he doesn’t “hate”, he loves.  His favorite pitch line goes something like -

If you see a child trying to cross to the other side of a highway and there’s a big truck that’s about to kill him, what should you do?  Should you quietly call out to the child so that you don’t alarm him?  So you don’t frightening him?  He’s about to be killed!  I say, and there are so many people that seem to disagree for some reason, that you scream at the top of your lungs to get his attention in order to save his life.  If he gets scared, at least he’s not dead.  You can explain to him afterward when he’s safe.  Sometimes that yelling can sound like anger, but it’s not.

It sounds like a convincing argument until  you step back and realize that the situation he describes is “life and death” but what he’s actually talking about is “after-life and death”.  Two very different concepts.  I’ve yelled at my kids when they’ve been in mortal danger.  What Vic is talking about is yelling, “DO NOT PUT THAT PENIS IN YOUR MOUTH OR YOU’LL GO TO HELL!!!”

See?  Different.

The flaw in the book (or rather the article about the book) comes here

Mr. Shields, a 34-year-old assistant professor of government at Claremont McKenna College in California, reached this conclusion after interviewing leaders of 30 Christian-right organizations, attending training seminars and surveying the materials used to instruct the rank and file.

Again and again he encountered the same injunctions: Remain civil. Engage others in conversation by inquiring into their viewpoints. Eschew arguments based on religion or the Bible in favor of facts and reasoning that might persuade people regardless of their religious convictions.

All you can say is – duh!

Racists do this, too.  Watch American History X or listen to some racist radio shows.  They are well aware of the fact that most Americans won’t join a group like the White Aryan Resistance if their pitch is “Join us because we hate niggers.”  Instead, they start with crime and work from there.  The arguments they build do rest so much on fact as they do emotion.  That’s why the Willie Horton ad defeated Dukakis.  The GOP never came right out and called Obama a nigger but the non-issue with Jeremiah Wright served that purpose and what do you call a black person that “hates” white people and therefore, America?  BINGO!

By default, the trainer knows more than the trainee, regardless of what the training is about.  Think about my interaction with the employee at the AT&T store in the previous post.  God knows how much money AT&T spent developing the training curriculum for employees.  That curriculum didn’t just happen.  They want employees to behave a certain way and to hit certain talking points.  “Inculcate” is exactly the right word.  They want a predictable outcome.

And so do the leaders of the religious right.  Jesus is only part of their agenda but their agenda ends in Jesus.  Like racists, they understand that simply saying, “you’re going to Hell” doesn’t work.  Rather, it’s about guiding the mark towards a conclusion ending with the trainee telling the mark, “Wow, that’s exactly what Jesus preached about – pro-marriage and anti-abortion!”

To their mind, “hate” only exists on the “other side”.  Jesus didn’t hate so they don’t hate.  Satan hates so it we must be the haters.  Like everybody else, xtians believe that the world would be perfect if only we’d do what they say.

And that would stop the hate.

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[The audio clip is from CrossTalk America a nasty little piece of work whose hosts and staff will keep me company in Hell, if such a thing exists.  The only reason to hope for Hell is that if there's nothing I wouldn't be able to see the puzzled looks on their faces and Satan tortures them.]

Vic, I don’t mean to sound like a broken record but – Jesus didn’t hate people. He died for them.  All of them.  That includes illegal aliens and gays and democrats and Muslims and everyone that works for Crosstalk America despises.

Yes, Vic.  Despises.

What you “preach” is not, as you’ve convinced yourself, love.  I know your argument about screaming to high heaven to save someone’s soul and how that sounds like hate sometimes but actually is the highest form of love.  It’s not.  That’s the xtian version of “just kidding”.

Every time you do a show about how outraged you are about how the only drunk drivers in the country are Mexicans, you buy yourself a ticket to the next circle of Hell.  Every time you openly mock Obama for a problem that bush couldn’t have given a damn about like, say, protecting America by scanning cargo containers for nuclear weapons, or getting all jittery because Obama wants to treat our enemies like humans instead of dogs to be kicked and killed by pyschos, you buy yourself a ticket to the next circle of Hell.  Every time you say in that fake, folksy voice of yours that sounds like Wilford Brimley hiding a chainsaw behind his back, “well, I don’t know if Obama is a Muslim or not”, you buy yourself a ticket to the next circle of Hell.

And when your screener calls me an idiot and hangs up on me simply for exercising my right to free and polite speech – you prove that you and your staff couldn’t care less about the truth and, therefore, Jesus.  Don’t get me wrong – I honestly believe that you think your a moral man.  You read the bible, you write songs, you chatise children for being children, you’ve given your life to your media empire all for the glory of Jesus.  But you’ve lost sight of that very same Jesus.

1 John 4:18
There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

Is your faith in Jesus so weak that you can only promote fear?  That you can only talk about how Obama will destroy this country?  You poor, sad man.  Yes, yes, I know – you can only trust Jesus so far.  Isn’t that the rationale you use for your fear that gays will take over the world – that Jesus won’t do all the leg work himself.

It’s called free will, Vic.  God, theoretically, gave it to us.  That’s not good enough for you.  You need to make America bend to your twisted interpretation of what God expects.  God judges.  Not you.  Did you ever consider that possibly God wanted that illegal Mexican to drive drunk and kill a woman?  Of course, you didn’t.  Pride, Vic, goeth before a fall.

Without paraphrasing too much, I vividly recall the day you said, “if the homosexual agenda has its way, there will be no children born to vote for the president with in a generation”.  Gay pride parades would lead to pedophile pride parades?  See?  You’re insane.  You don’t realize that pedophilia is illegal.  Homosexuality isn’t.  I know you think it should be.  Fear, Vic.  That’s not love, that’s fear.  That is you meddling in God’s plan for this world.

So don’t get all huffy and sanctimonious when some racist calls up your show to defend Hitler.  He feeds off the daily diet of hate you serve up.  He just wants you to take the next logical step – embracing Hitler.

Here’s the thing, Vic – you love railing against this theorectical one-world government that Obama plans to implement.  One government – one ruler.  Isn’t that the same thing as the theocracy you promote – one (world) nation under God?

Liberal Preachers Like You

I’ve tried very hard not to curse, Vic.  Very hard indeed.  You deserve a rain of profanity unequaled in the history of mankind.  But I will treat you with the respect that you refuse to give others.  I will not tell you to go fuck yourself.

Oops.

With more sincerity than you could ever imagine,

Paul

Hbee CrossTalk, VCY America, Vic Eliason, xtians

Look at that picture! LOOK AT IT!!!

That’s a Barack Obama campaign office Houston, TX – NOW YOU TELL ME HE’S NOT IN CAHOOTS WITH THE FORCES OF EVIL.  CAN WE FOLLOW OBAMA INTO HELL??  YES – WE – CAN!!!

That was basically the message on VCY America‘s Crosstalk radio program today.  Not ONLY is his middle name “Hussein” – not ONLY did he not salute the America flag – not ONLY did he forsake the Bible for the Koran when he was sworn into the Senate – not ONLY is he a Muslim – not ONLY will he put the interests of Africa (all of it, I guess) before those of the United States – BUT his followers put up pictures of Che Guevara in his campaign office(s).

Don’t know what Crosstalk is?  It’s a show where “you can voice your concern for Biblical principles”.  You know, Godly principles like lies and innuendo along the lines of “The Koran allows Muslims to lie to advance the cause of Islam which is the destruction of all other religions”.  You know, little WHITE lies.  Lies that, oh, I don’t know, help to further the cause of Christianity.  Remember that Onion headline after 9/11 – “Hijackers Surprised To Find Themselves In Hell” – that’s what’s will happen to Vic and pretty much anyone who contributes to VCY America.

The “logic” goes that because the worker put up a picture of Che in her office, Barack Obama explicitly approves of Communism and, if elected, would destroy America.  It’s really as simple (minded) as that.  They throw this slop out for the pigs to chow down on and chow they do.  All the anti-Obama talking point came up and were explicitly or tacitly sanctioned by Vic.  Don’t get me wrong, he’s not stupid/evil he’s smart/evil.  Listen to a snippet

Now I want clarify that it was NOT Barack Obama who swore his oath on the Koran.  It was another politician.  And I don’t know if he’s a Muslim or not.  I can’t really say.  I don’t know his heart.  Next caller.

HA!  It’s an almost perfect statement.  If brought up in a court of law, he’s got full deniability.  Fortunately, God’s not stupid and will send Vic to the circle of Hell where he and Falwell will be viciously and brutally sodomized by Satan himself.

I’ve probably posted it before but it’s worth re-posting to establish the level of discourse the callers bring to the program and willful lack of analysis of the hosts.  This is a woman that called to talk about God’s punishment of John Lennon.  Trust me – it’s the best 38 seconds you’ll ever spend (outside of sex)

God’s Punishment of John Lennon

They don’t cut off critical callers immediately.  In fact, they try to engage them which entails asking if they believe in God and if so, if they believe the Bible is inerrant.  From there, Vic will continually ask “what’s your creed” followed by the ever popular “without God there are no morals and everyone would go around killing everybody else.”  By this time, either the caller has hung up and Vic smugly names the act as a lack of courage or a break comes up.

Let’s just pretend for a moment that Vic is right – Obama is a threat to the security of the United States because he allows his campaign volunteers to post portaits of communist leaders.  If that’s true, then what inferences could we draw from a man who runs a summer camps for children and believes the Bible to be the inerrant Word of God?  Well, Deut. 21:18-21 says that you can bring a stubborn and rebellious child before the elders who can stone him to death.  God sanctions it.  Now, I can’t say if Vic would stone a child to death – I don’t know what’s in his heart – but I do know that “inerrant” means…well…without error.  You need to kill the person that does not observe the Sabbath.  That’s God’s Law.  I’m just not sure how comfortable I’d feel leaving my child with someone who might kill my precious son or daughter with God’s blessing and even command.

One thing Vic loves to go on about is how Bill Clinton talked about “redefining the immutable”.  “You can re-define something that’s immutable”, his shtick goes.  And yet – If Vic Elison is not killing children (and adults for that matter) then he, too, redefines the immutable which is the inerrant Word of God.  Either way, he ends up in Hell.

Hbee CrossTalk, Religion, Ridicule, Talk Radio, VCY America, Vic Eliason, Vomiting in My Mouth, xtians